Timely Information for Takedown Scoring and Stats Users
Takedown Scoring and Stats New Features 2015-2016
We've introduced new features this season. Here's how to use them.
Takedown Scoring and Stats has a bunch of new and helpful features this Season. Here's the list:
Add your team logo. Click here for more info.
Add wrestler photos to roster. Click here for more info.
Download multiple opponent rosters with a single tap. Click here for more info.
Manage equipment -- issue and return dates by item. Click here for more info.
Add staff contact details with embedded email and messaging.Click here for more info.
Add free form notes for seasons, events, wrestlers and opponent wrestlers.
Auto-post results to Facebook page. Click here for more info.
College: new near fall rules implemented.
Thanks for using Takedown Scoring and Stats and Takedown LIVE.
Takedown Scoring and Stats Release 2.1
Takedown Scoring and Stats Release 2.1 is available for download from the App Store. New features include...
Takedown Scoring and Stats Release 2.1 is available for download from the App Store. This is a recommended download for all users. New features include:
Adding a logo image to My Team. This logo appears in various Reports. Click here for a tutorial.
Adding photos to all My Team wrestlers on the Roster. These photos appear in the Wrestler Profile report. Click here for a tutorial.
Ability to Restart a mis-scored match without leaving the Scoring interface.
Revised college near fall rules implemented.
Exporting Seasons directly to Dropbox or Google Drive for off-device backup and sharing
Get Release 2.1 on the App Store.
Takedown Scoring and Stats Release 2.0
Release 2.0, now available for download on from the App Store, has some exciting new features
Release 2.0, now available for download on from the App Store, has some exciting new features:
- Streamlined roster downloads. Download multiple opponent teams with a single tap.
- Staff management. Maintain contact info and send messages from within app.
- Equipment management. Easily track valuable equipment issued to wrestlers
- Notes. Add helpful text to any season, event, match or wrestler.
- My Team section. Simplifies user interface
- Social section. Manage live score streaming in one place.
This release requires iOS 8. All users with iOS 8 should download this release.
Streamlined Roster Downloads
We've migrated all high school and college rosters to cloud storage and made it simple to download multiple teams with a single click. Over 9,000 high school and college teams available.
Staff Management
Ever had to look for a parent volunteer or assistant coach email address or phone number? Add all that contact information -- name, email, phone number -- into Takedown Scoring and Stats and even send an email from within the app. Add a title -- head coach, assistant coach, manager, trainer or parent -- and you have all program-related contact information in one place.
Equipment Management
End-of-season equipment return is an administrative headache. Now for each wrestler track issue and return dates for up to eight different pieces of loaned equipment. Whether it's headgear, shoes or a singlet, you'll know to whom it was issued and when, and the return date. Even add your own detailed note to each item. Make life easier at season's end.
Notes
Sometimes a coach just wants to jot down a note about a specific wrestler, match, opponent, event or an entire season. Release 2.0 lets you keep those notes organized and in one place -- on your iPad! Does your 132 pounder need to work on single leg defense? Add a note. Scouted your cross-town rival and noticed their 120 pounder has a mean ankle pick? Add a note to that wrestler. Was the Tri-Valley Annual Pinfest a fun, well-managed tournament (with a delicious coach hospitality room)? Add a note to that event. Forget about looking around for a notebook or scrap of paper -- all that valuable info is in one place and at your fingertips.
My Team
We've consolidated all non-scoring information into a single item: My Team. With this simpler user interface, manage your schedule, event and roster in one place. Also, we've implemented an "Opponent Team" feature for managing opposing teams and associated wrestlers.
Social
All platforms for live score streaming -- Takedown LIVE, Twitter and Facebook -- are conveniently in the same place called Social. Takedown Scoring and Stats is the market-leading platform for streaming live wrestling scoring to mobile and desktop users. Now it's easier to manage how and when live scoring is streamed to your fans.
Good luck this season and thanks for using Takedown Scoring and Stats.
A Letter to the NCAA Rules Committee re: Miller v. Realbuto Controversy
This is an email sent on March 28th to Ron Beaschler , NCAA Wrestling Secretary-Rules Editor regarding the Miller v. Realbuto controversy
[This is an email sent on March 28th to Ron Beaschler (r-beaschler@onu.edu) NCAA Wrestling Secretary-Rules Editor, republished in light of the upcoming NWCA Convention, Jul 31 - Aug 2 2015. This issue deserves attention.]
Hi Ron--
We've been in contact previously about some finer points in the NCAA rule book. I thought you might be interested in our perspective about a specific area of the rule book that needs some attention in light of the Miller v. Realbuto controversy at the NCAAs. This is a very bland, technical recommendation, but I believe it addresses the root cause of the scoring error (no NCAA bashing here -- it's a great and popular sport especially in the wake of this controversy, but not my concern) in this match and, prospectively, others.
Here's the issue, articulated in the context of the Miller v. Realbuto match and excerpted from a broader blog post:
The 2nd Takedown Mystery
With a continuously running clock, by rule it is not possible for a wrestler to score two consecutive takedowns without the opposing wrestler scoring an escape in-between those two takedowns. Yet, that is precisely what happened in this match. At this tournament, scoring was done with an electronic scoring system that, in normal operation, prevents the operator from scoring two consecutive take downs for a wrestler without an interleaved escape by the opponent. That’s the rule and it is incorporated into the electronic scoring system’s logic.
Realbuto’s first takedown (at 0:24) was scored properly. The scoring system, rightly so, would have then disabled Realbuto’s takedown button until an escape for Miller was scored. But, the escape for Miller was never scored and when Realbuto executed his second takedown (at 0:10), the scorer had a serious problem: Realbuto’s takedown button was disabled. But, we know from looking at the scoreboard that Realbuto’s score increased by 2 match points at this point. How did that happen?
It’s been reported that the 2nd takedown was scored using a feature of scoring system that allows adding generic points to a wrestler’s score. These points don’t carry the standard scoring notation — T2 in this instance — but instead are simply recorded as “+1″ or “+2″ depending on the system used. These so-called generic points can be added to the wrestler’s tally at any time, regardless of match context or wrestler position. Some operators of electronic scoring systems use generic scoring when the button they want to tap — in this case, takedown — is disabled. It’s a way to circumvent the scoring system’s logic. And, it’s a bad idea that can lead to bad outcomes.
Generic Electronic Scoring Should Be Banned
Well, that’s a little extreme. But, consider carefully the case of Ian Miller. Had generic scoring been disabled in the NCAA’s scoring system, Realbuto’s final takedown wouldn’t have made it to the scoreboard and the natural wrestling process of everyone screaming bloody murder would have forced the official to give thoughtful deliberation to the scorebook. Instead, the scorer overrode the system’s logic and this action cascaded into a series of unfortunate events that unfairly sent Miller to the consies and Realbuto to the semis, and put an NCAA official in an embarrassing situation. Not good for Miller, Kent State or the NCAA.
s you know, the rule book has a table of scoring notations in 4.6 Scoring Abbreviations (WR-51). This table has a footnote that says "the abbreviations above are the only official terms for recording a result." As a practical matter, the "official" nature of these abbreviations has not been historically enforced. I'm guessing that the referees don't know all the abbreviations, nor do the scorers. And, in the case of manually scoring a bout, it is very difficult to enforce using these abbreviations in any case.
However, with the advent of electronic scoring systems, there is no reason, technical or otherwise, to use anything other than the "official" notations. Had this happened at the NCAAs, Miller would have been declared the winner, controversy avoided. Indeed, I suspect that Miller v. Realbuto's bout has accounted for in a manner in opposition to the NCAA rules in so much as the "official" scoring abbreviations were not used to record Realbuto's final take down.
y recommendation is that the rule book is revised to make clearer the role of the Scoring Abbreviations in official scoring and also articulate just what is meant by "official" in this context. For example, can an NCAA match have a declared winner if the scoring isn't "official"? The way the rules are currently written, that seems a reasonable question.
Further, and this is more specific, I'd suggest that any NCAA sanctioned event using electronic scoring use only the scoring notation in 4.6. This would have the benefits of (1) improving scoring accuracy and (2)standardizing scoring presentation. In turn, this change would reduce coach<->official interaction which often interrupts match flow (though, admittedly, highly entertaining depending on the coach!). For an electronic scoring system vendor like us, using the NCAA abbreviations is easy to implement and, in fact, we comply with most of 4.6 already. I'm sure other vendors would indicate likewise.
Thanks for reading this and I look forward to your response. Also, if you have any questions, please let me know. Our application has been used to score about 60,000 high school and college matches in two seasons, so we have deep user and technical expertise in this area.
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Lose Track of the Score at your Wrestler's Peril: A Harsh Lesson for Kent State and Ian Miller
In the quarter final round of the NCAA Division I Championships in March 2015, Ian Miller (Kent State) lost to Brian Realbuto (Cornell) 11-9 in sudden victory. But, that sudden victory round shouldn't have been wrestled because Ian Miller beat Brian Realbuto 10-9 in regulation. How'd that happen?
[originally published in March 2015; revived in light of upcoming NWCA Convention Jul 31 - Aug 2. This situation deserves some attention from that group.] In the quarter final round of the NCAA Division I Championships in March 2015, Ian Miller (Kent State) lost to Brian Realbuto (Cornell) 11-9 in sudden victory. But, that sudden victory round shouldn't have been wrestled because Ian Miller beat Brian Realbuto 10-9 in regulation. How'd that happen?
Background
With 24 seconds remaining in the 3rd period of bout #360, Miller led 8-5 and the wrestlers were in neutral. Realbuto scored a takedown making the score 8-7, Miller still leading. Four seconds later at 0:20 on the clock, Miller escaped, the score was then 9-7 still in Miller's favor. Realbuto followed with another takedown, tying the score at 9-9. The 3rd period ended with no further scoring. Miller, however, accumulated a riding time advantage in excess of one minute and was awarded the customary riding time point. Miller won 10-9. That's what happened. But, that's not how it was scored.
For whatever reason, Miller's escape at 0:20 was missed by the official scorer. The scoreboard showed Realbuto ahead 9-8 when the clock expired and with Miller's riding time advantage added, the score was tied 9-9. From the moment the whistle blew ending the third period until the whistle blew starting sudden victory, 25 seconds elapsed. Miller's head coach, Jim Andrassy, said that he approached the scoring table at third period's conclusion to question the score, but was rebuffed by the officials. Realbuto scored a takedown in sudden victory to win 11-9. Subsequently, Kent State approached the tournament committee and asked for a review. The tournament committee reviewed the situation in accordance with NCAA Rule 3.11.2 and decided not to overturn the match outcome. Realbuto moved on to the semi-final round and placed 2nd and Miller dropped into the consolations and placed 5th, both All-Americans and excellent wrestlers.
Kent State Reaction
Kent State's head coach, Jim Andrassy, approached the scoring table and officials at the end of regulation to contest the score. Andrassy, in a video interview after the match, said:
I knew the score was wrong, I went up to the head table, the referee said it was right and ... two officials sat me down and started overtime.
There's been no word from the NCAA or the officials on what transpired between the officials and Andrassy at this point in the match.
Referee's Role
Whatever was communicated between the mat officials and Andrassy at the end of regulation, the NCAA Rules (p. WR-27) are clear:
3.12 Questioning the Referee
3.12.1 Coach. A coach shall be permitted, without penalty, to approach the scorer’s table with the intent of correcting or asking for an interpretation of the score or time...The referee and coach shall discuss the situation in a rational manner directly in front of the scorer’s table.
In the 25 seconds from the end-of-regulation whistle to the start-of-sudden victory whistle, the official took 18 seconds to walk to the scoring table and walk out to center mat to start sudden victory leaving about seven seconds for discussing the situation in a "rational manner" with the contesting coach, Andrassy. Perhaps the official heard the coach's protest as he was walking toward the table, so it is possible the official was considering the issue for a longer period. Best case would be, say, 20 seconds of deliberation if he was still pondering the protest as he jogged out to start sudden victory. Still, in a critical match with lots of scoring in the period's final 32 seconds (2 takedowns, 2 escapes, 6 points), the rush to start sudden victory and not give more consideration to the issue seems ill-advised if not in opposition to the NCAA Rules.
NCAA Role
At a sanctioned tournament, the NCAA's Rule Book mandates a three person tournament committee to arbitrate all disputes (3.16.2) . Further details appear in 3.11.2:
Error by Timekeeper and/or Scorers. If there is an error on the part of the timekeeper and/or scorers, the error shall be corrected and the referee will inform the wrestlers, coaches and announcer of the correction...For a tournament, the correction shall be made by the referee and shall take place before the contestants leave the mat area or the bout sheet leaves the scorer’s table. Any error not resolved by the referee shall be arbitrated by the tournament committee.
In this instance, the tournament committee did not overturn the match result. However, in a video interview, the Chair of the NCAA Division I Wrestling Committee offered a mind-numbing explanation of why the tournament committee didn't overturn the match outcome, saying:
I think it's key to understand that there was never an official challenge made at the match...the protocol that's in place is to go over, grab that flag and say 'no, that's wrong' and that never occurred.
The Chair is referring to NCAA Rule 3.21, Mat-Side Video Review which was established to challenge judgement calls by the referee, not clerical scoring errors. Moreover, the protocol for questioning the score is in rule 3.12 cited above. There is no requirement in the NCAA Rules to use a formal challenge, ala 3.21 Mat-Side Video Review, to question the official score accuracy. The NCAA Chair's statement reveals an ignorance of the rules that's distressing. Some suggest that the statement is a red herring, that the real reason the NCAA declined lies elsewhere. I'm not on the committee so I take the Chair's statement at face value.
Where's the escape?
Why wasn't Miller's escape, the one with 20 seconds remaining, accounted for in the official score? Maybe the referee gave a poor signal or none at all, this isn't clear from available match video. We know for certain that the scoring table missed the escape. Much has been made of this missed escape, but the reality is referees often give poor signals and scoring tables miss scores. It happens and, here's the point: missing the escape isn't the critical error in this situation. It's what happened next that is important to understand and internalize.
The 2nd Takedown Mystery
With a continuously running clock, by rule it is not possible for a wrestler to score two consecutive takedowns without the opposing wrestler scoring an escape in-between those two takedowns. Yet, that is precisely what happened in this match. At this tournament, scoring was done with an electronic scoring system that, in normal operation, prevents the operator from scoring two consecutive take downs for a wrestler without an interleaved escape by the opponent. That's the rule and it is incorporated into the electronic scoring system's logic.
Realbuto's first takedown (at 0:24) was scored properly. The scoring system, rightly so, would have then disabled Realbuto's takedown button until an escape for Miller was scored. But, the escape for Miller was never scored and when Realbuto executed his second takedown (at 0:10), the scorer had a serious problem: Realbuto's takedown button was disabled. But, we know from looking at the scoreboard that Realbuto's score increased by 2 match points at this point. How did that happen?
It's been reported that the 2nd takedown was scored using a feature of scoring system that allows adding generic points to a wrestler's score. These points don't carry the standard scoring notation -- T2 in this instance -- but instead are simply recorded as "+1" or "+2" depending on the system used. These so-called generic points can be added to the wrestler's tally at any time, regardless of match context or wrestler position. Some operators of electronic scoring systems use generic scoring when the button they want to tap -- in this case, takedown -- is disabled. It's a way to circumvent the scoring system's logic. And, it's a bad idea that can lead to bad outcomes.
Generic Electronic Scoring Should Be Banned
Well, that's a little extreme. But, consider carefully the case of Ian Miller. Had generic scoring been disabled in the NCAA's scoring system, Realbuto's final takedown wouldn't have been posted to the scoreboard and the natural wrestling process of everyone screaming bloody murder would have forced the official to give thoughtful deliberation to the scorebook. Instead, the scorer overrode the system's logic and this action cascaded into a series of unfortunate events that unfairly sent Miller to the consies and Realbuto to the semis, and put an NCAA official in an embarrassing situation. Not good for Miller, Kent State or the NCAA.
All Coaches Pay Attention
In his post-match interview, Kent State's head coach Jim Andrassy also offered the following:
To be honest with you, I thought [the score] was wrong, but I wasn't 100% sure. It didn't seem right.
From this statement, it's fair to assume that Coach Andrassy didn't confidently approach the officials with a specific description of why the score was in error. To be sure, the referee and scorer bear most of the responsibility. But, a coach without his own detailed, independently generated recording of the scoring sequence is risking an unjust outcome for the wrestler. When that happens in the quarter finals of the NCAA Div I Championship, it's a big deal.
So, coaches, when the outcome matters, use something -- a paper scorebook or, better, an electronic scoring system normally operated -- to correctly and independently record the match scoring activity. Mat officials and table scorers commit errors and it is your responsibility to confidently step in and make it right for your wrestler. They deserve nothing less.
Are Forfeits a Problem for High School Wrestling?
We looked at 116 dual meets, JV and Varsity, from schools across the country and discovered an alarming rate of forfeits -- 18% of all matches! Examining the impact at each weight class, we found the following
We looked at 116 dual meets, JV and Varsity, from schools across the country and discovered an alarming rate of forfeits -- 18% of all matches! Examining the impact at each weight class, we found the following: The problem is clearer when looking at groups of adjacent weight classes:
If this data is representative of high wrestling-at-large, then we seem to have a challenge attracting light and heavy weight wrestlers. Perhaps the NFHS weight classes are misaligned with the underlying student demographic. Other explanations are possible. In any case, the forfeit rate seems undesirable in the context of making wrestling a more fan-friendly sport.
What do you think? Add a comment below.
Introducing Takedown LIVE
Can’t make it to the match? No problem. Announcing Takedown LIVE, our new app that delivers wrestling results directly to your mobile device. Takedown LIVE is available for download from the App Store. With Takedown LIVE, fans anywhere can watch your Takedown-generated match and event results in real-time on their iPhone or iPad. This is an app, not a browser, so the user experience is responsive, reliable and visually appealing. Here what is looks like.
Select your favorite teams:
Watch the action unfold in real-time, score-by-score:
Refresh results as often as you'd like, view up to 30 days of historical results:
Just turn it on in Takedown to broadcast your matches to Takedown LIVE users:
Takedown LIVE is compatible with Takedown Scoring and Stats 1.8 or higher. Both are available for download from the App Store. Upgrade to Takedown 1.8 and tell your fans about Takedown LIVE!
Look for both in the app store.
Copying from a Paper Scorebook
Can you copy results from a paper scorebook to Takedown? Of course!
Often this is the only method for capturing all your results at a tournament when multiple athletes are competing simultaneously. So, go ahead and transcribe your paper scoring results to Takedown to get a full statistical accounting of your team's performance.
A few things to keep in mind when copying scoring from paper:
START THE MATCH CLOCK, even if you're copying from a scorebook. Unless the match clock is running, the scoring buttons are not enabled. You can enter the results as quickly as you want. If you don't start the match clock and try to score the match using lots of sequential Override taps, the match can end up in a state that makes Takedown misbehave.
At match end, you'll see the alert below. If you're copying scoring from a paper scorebook, then tap "Copying." This action will exclude copied match scoring from statistical reports (Riding Time and Short-Time Scoring) that rely on match clock information not available from matches scored on paper.
Matches copied from a paper source will have an underline ("__") beneath the weight class in the Scorebook, Box Score and Seeding Meeting Reports. This is just a reminder that the indicated match wasn't scored live.
Scoring from non-paused video is the same as scoring live. If you don't pause the video, you won't get the alert shown above. From Takedown's perspective, it's just like a live match.
Takedown Makes the Big Time
Fun time yesterday at Stanford University's Burnham Pavillion watching Stanford v. Northwestern dual meet. Stanford uses Takedown to score their matches and generate performance statistics. Yesterday, they kept their expensive pedestal scoreboard in the closet and instead used Takedown's inexpensive and automatically generated scoreboard on their 90" wall-mounted flat panel display.
Here it is in action. With :49 left in the first period, no score in the 184 pound match.
Another match, first period with 2:09 to go, NWU up 2-0 with :38 of riding time advantage. NWU is on top ( as indicated by the chevron under the NWU score).
And, here's the Stanford wrestling manager using Takedown. See the green cable? That's the full extent of the setup -- run an HDMI cable from your iPad to your flat panel display. Stanford's display is huge, but the setup is the same no matter how large (or small) your panel. Also, instead of having one person run the scoreboard and another person doing the scoring, only a single person is required since the scoreboard content is automatically generated by Takedown.
Stanford also used Takedown to stream the action to their 6,000+ Twitter fans:
The outcome for the Cardinal wasn't great but Takedown had an outstanding debut on the big stage.
What about your program? If Takedown works for two premiere Division I NCAA wrestling programs, think it'll work for your high school or middle school program?
Be the coolest team in your conference, download Takedown from the App Store today and throw your paper scorebook in the trash.
Takedown Scoring and Stats Release 1.7
Release 1.7 is available for download on the App Store. This release offers exciting new features for scorers, fans, coaches and athletes.
Release 1.7 is available for download on the App Store. This release offers exciting new features for scorers, fans, coaches and athletes.
New Injury and Riding Time Clocks
Takedown now offers a full set of injury and riding time clocks for each wrestler. These clocks, appearing on the Match Scoring page, can be hidden or viewed at the user's discretion by swiping the associated tab. When a clock is tapped, the match scoring clock stops and an appropriate notation appears in the scoring matrix. The clocks are cumulative (except for recovery) and user adjustable. When a clock approaches its maximum allowable value, a visual cue appears on-screen. Here's an example of the new clocks in action:
For college, each wrestler has a riding time clock and riding time advantage is automatically calculated and displayed. Riding time advantage is noted at the end of each period:
Enhanced Digital Scoreboard
Takedown's digital scoreboard got a makeover! The presentation is easier to read at a distance, a change many officials will find helpful:
Also, when an injury is scored, the associated clock displays on the scoreboard. The normal scoreboard presentation reappears when the injury event concludes:
In-Depth Performance Stats for each Wrestler
Takedown's new Wrestler Profile report collects existing stats into a single page presentation of wrestler performance. In addition, new stats allow a coach to answer the question: "what's the chance of this wrestler getting a Takedown?"
Scoring and Weigh-In Improvements
Release 1.7 offers a variety of enhancements to the Event and Match Scoring pages:
Undo choice and previous period simplifies error-correction
Edit opponent name after match ends
Random draw generated random weight class for starting dual meet
Copy weigh-ins from another event
Single page weigh-in form for both teams in dual meet
For more details on Release 1.7, please click here.
Pricing
Takedown 1.7 is available now on the App Store. With this new release, the price for scoring a match is ten cents for high school and slightly higher for college. Matches purchased in release 1.6 (and earlier) will roll over to this new release, so you can purchase as many matches as you'd like at release 1.6 prices and then install 1.7. In October, match prices in Release 1.6 (and earlier) will change to reflect the current 1.7 pricing.